Equinox - John Coltrane

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GregH3000

GregH3000

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The existing chart leaves much to be desired as it only contains the solo section, and the chords are dull. Plus it is not even in the right style. No intro, A section or coda. It's a joke.

That being said, this song presented some tough challenges to even get in the ballpark. The intro is a N.C. deal, and unfortunately, irp will not let you use the root bass notes by themselves; maybe in a future version, the programmers can add a slash to N.C. so we can do simple bass ostinato stuff.

Next, both intro and A section are syncopated, and in 4/4, you can't accent upbeats. As a work around, I notated all the syncopated parts as 3/8 to 5/8 time signatures; it's not perfect, but at least it sounds somewhat like Coltrane intended.

The second (comparatively minor) problem was Sher notated the I chord C#m as being C#m13 which irp doesn't recognize. I noticed from playing this chord on my guitar that it was actually an E major 9 with C# in the bass, so I went with that.

Last problem which I could not totally solve was with the coda. This song has a D.S al coda, and if you only ask the player to do one run through, it will go to the coda immediately and skip the solo (B) section. I had to set the repeat control at 2 to get it to continue from the A section to the B section. This is not, unfortunately, how the original recording goes, so if someone could fix that problem, we can close the book on Equinox.

Equinox - SM - John Coltrane


(Sorry I forgot the tags; you can't edit those in apparently.)
 
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My post just disappeared. Oh well, here we go again.

With all due respect, the link your provided isn't really telling me what I'm doing wrong here. I did what it is telling me to do as in the 500 miles example, and I quote:
"One way is to use the Coda as what is sometimes referred to as outro or tag.
As seen in 500 Miles High, the Coda will be played only once at the very end. [that's what I want]
If for example, you set the player to repeat 5 times, the main part of the song will repeat 5 times and finally jump to the Coda during the very last repeat {that's NOT what I want]

This appears to me to be a bug. It will not play all the way through if you only want one play; it will recognize the coda sign before the song is done. Also, it didn't stop at the end bar, and went up to play the A section again, and ended there.
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The forums indicated that you (accidentally?) deleted your missing post. I was able to restore it.

Using "DS or DC al coda" includes the coda in the form every time the player repeats.
Simply using just the coda-symbol(s) appends the coda to the form only the final player repeat. If the player is set to 1x, the first play is, in fact, the final repeat...

The IN (or V) section only plays once at the start unless instructed otherwise by a DC.
Using the Segno is unnecessary immediately following the Intro. Player repeats automatically start at the first letter-mark after the Intro.

To avoid confusion, it's best to describe your desired road-map (arrangement) for the song's form using rehearsal marks and ending numbers.
eg. In,A1,A2,B,C. Coda or AA BB CA etc.

:))BOB
 
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Your ending volta brackets (ending time bars) are placed one space ahead of where they belong.

Our goal for forum discussion is not just to arrive at (and only post) a "correct" chart, but rather to show the process and help future users.
:))BOB
 
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Two more threads disappeared. I try to reply, and when I click on "reason for editing," poof, it's gone. What's up with that?

Bob, I couldn't find what you were talking about in the coda, but I did find that the C#m bar right before the 1st ending had only four spaces instead of five, so I fixed that.

Equinox - SM - John Coltrane
 
GregH3000 said:
Bob, I couldn't find what you were talking about in the coda, but I did find that the C#m bar right before the 1st ending had only four spaces instead of five, so I fixed that.

Equinox - SM - John Coltrane
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See if this example helps
Ending Volta Bracket Placement - Example

Don't worry about changing the number of spaces in each measure as you change time signatures. It's not neccessary and usually doesn't matter.
:))BOB
 
So you're basically asserting that it is somehow incorrect if the volta bracket is parallel with a bar line below it? What is the thinking behind this?
 
GregH3000 said:
So you're basically asserting that it is somehow incorrect if the volta bracket is parallel with a bar line below it? What is the thinking behind this?
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Ending indicators are correctly entered in the first space of the first bar of the ending. Placing them anywhere else is unusual.
Can you see the difference in the example chart I posted for you?

:))BOB
 
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Gettin up to speed writing iRp charts that work in the player, AND are easy to read, AND look nice, AND squeeze onto a single page can be a challenge.

It's a process that takes time but gets easier.

Our goal for forum discussion is not just to arrive at (and only post) a "correct" chart, but rather to show the process and help current and future users get better at it.
:))BOB
 
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Any chance of this version replacing the one on the jazz list? There has to be some kind of precedence for this process; so many of those charts are pretty low budget.
 
GregH3000 said:
in the main Jazz playlist thread.
Niki, I've been re-doing many of the standards with the changes that were published in the Sher Music Standards volumes. Would it be appropriate for me to post them here, or should I just make a separate thread for each as I did recently with "Equinox"?
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Greg, if you had read Niki's post that was immediately preceding yours you would have found your answer

Niki said:
.......
If you've made a properly formatted chart of an important Jazz standard that you think should be added to this list, feel free to post it here:

https://forums.irealpro.com/threads...s-or-changes-to-the-Main-Jazz-Playlist.22620/ ........
;)
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So, in addition to sharing your charts in the song discussion threads on the forums, per the posting guidelines:
https://forums.irealpro.com/threads/Guidelines-for-sharing-songs-and-playlists.22105/
you can post your suggested charts for consideration to add to the main Jazz playlist (one chart at a time please) in the specific thread for that purpose (link in Niki's quote above). Also include your explaination of why you think your chart should be used.

The forums have been here for more than a decade. You can likely find existing discussion, questions and answers on most topics if you look.
:))BOB
 
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Greg,

Very clever alternating 3/8 and 5/8 time to get the syncopation between beats 2 and 3 in 4/4 time!

Thanks much for the tip. I'll use it.

(P.S. Correct visual placement of the chords is not always that important, as the built-in rhythm usually puts them in the right place. But if you want the visual to be accurate, the second chord in each 5/8 bar should be on the fourth beat, not the third. The clave on the Latin 8/8 is on 1 - 4 - 7. )

Cheers,
Jer
 
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I've been asking to fix the coda problem for years. If more people are reporting this issue, maybe the developers will do something about it sooner.
Currently, it's impossible to use both a D.S. (or D.C. al 2nd ending) AND a coda in the same song. The player will always jump to the coda BEFORE even play the D.S. al 2nd ending. That's very frustrating and limiting!
About posts that disappear while editing an existing one, I also have the same issue. I've reported this issue few years ago but nothing has been done to fix it so far
 
Actually in order to emulate a C#m13, it should be notated as a EMaj9#11/C#. The EMaj9/C# don't have the 13th.
If you don't need the 11th in the chord, then it could be notated EMaj7#11/C#.
However, it would be better if the m13 chord type be added in the library. It's a pretty common chord used in jazz music!
 
CyrilleB said:
I've been asking to fix the coda problem for years. If more people are reporting this issue, maybe the developers will do something about it sooner.
Currently, it's impossible to use both a D.S. (or D.C. al 2nd ending) AND a coda in the same song. The player will always jump to the coda BEFORE even play the D.S. al 2nd ending. That's very frustrating and limiting!
About posts that disappear while editing an existing one, I also have the same issue. I've reported this issue few years ago but nothing has been done to fix it so far
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Thanks for validating my frustration. This is the one aspect of irp's programming that I keep bumping up against and it drives me crazy.
 
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