How to set number of player-repeats for solo sections

[CyrilleB]

I was wondering how the player would handle a tune such as "the maze" (Herbie Hancock), where the changes of the head are slightly different from the choruses.
The head is only played twice (at the beginning and end of the song).
I could eventually add repeat bars and a number of repeats in edit mode for the chorus/solo section but those repeats are limited to 8 times only I think.
So if I use player's chorus repeat, it will always goes back to the changes of the head at each repeat.
Maybe it's time to think of a different algorithm to handle repeats, d.s, d.c. and codas.

 

[pdxdjazz]

How to set number of repeats for solos

Repeating a section within repeat brackets is not limited to 8x. (That's just the selection available in the text menu)

This chart will repeat solos 26x, 25 in the B-brackets and copied once more below (for 26) to warn you when the player is about to jump to the head.

Maze 1, The - Herbie Hancock

)BOB

 

[DaleMac]

It might be worth reconsidering the traditional concept of "a page". The iRB Player already has the ability to scroll longer charts, yes? Allowing an unlimited number of lines would eliminate the need for multiple pages, or short bars to squeeze tunes into one page, which makes the chart harder to read. There could still be "page break" indicators for printing hard copies. Mobile devices have revolutionized how we read books and listen to recordings. Maybe it's time for "sheet music" to evolve too.

 

[CyrilleB]

Thanks, Bob.
That's a good fix.
I didn't know that the numbers of repeats is unlimited in edit mode.
However, it would make more sense though to be able to change the number of choruses directly from the player mode to avoid switching back and forth from edit mode.
Anyway, thanks for the advice.

p.s. this thread has disappeared from the iRP app forum page (or I cannot find it). Good thing that I've received a link of the post by email!

 

[pdxdjazz]

I moved it to its own song discussion thread. It seemed more of a song specific, support/functionality issue than a request for a new app feature. I forgot to leave a trail of bread crumbs.
The player repeat setting sets the number of desired trips through the form top to bottom.
Setting the number of section repeats is specific within the form as charted, and is designated as part of the chart.
)BOB

 

[CyrilleB]

I understand.
Actually, this thread is not only about this particular tune. There are many tunes where the changes for solos are different from the head.
In this situation, the repeats from the player (on the form) are not useful because the head is usually only played twice (at the beginning and at the end).
I was just thinking of a more simple way for the player to repeat only the solo section (that could simply be done by adding a marker in edit mode to specify the beginning and the end of the solo section. Then, the repeats button in the player would only focus on that particular section.
This would also allow the player to play more complex song structure when needed.

 

[pdxdjazz]

How about a "repeat section until screen is tapped" button.
Much like a player would point to his head to signal "head-out".

Maybe it could even be done by air-turn.....

)BOB

 

[CyrilleB]

Well, since most devices have a front and rear camera, it could just detect a head move (or a blinking eye) for a cue to exit the repeat section, just like in live situation!

 

[pdxdjazz]

Just don't sneeze....
)BOB

 

[CyrilleB]

That's a good one

 

[engelbach]

Here's a slightly different solution.

The Intro and first Head are both in the Intro.

Then the A Section is the solos.

Then the last Head is the Coda.

This way you can keep track of the solo choruses using the counter at the upper right.

Maze, The-Rev JE - Herbie Hancock

Cheers,
Jer

 

[pdxdjazz]

Great solution Jer!
)BOB

 

[CyrilleB]

Good idea, Jer!
That works well. As long as we name each section as you did, it should be alright.
For longer heads, we might run out of space if we need to write the head again as the coda. But for short tunes, this is a great alternative.

 

[engelbach]

Thanks, guys.

For longer heads, we might run out of space if we need to write the head again as the coda.

True.

But remember, if you don't have to write anything extra in the measures, they can be reduced to one or two beats each and will still play four beats. That can cut a tune to as little as one-fourth of its original length.

The program offers the option to write a tune with 96 measures of two beats each. You can reduce those to one beat each and write 192 measures. That's the equivalent of six 32-bar tunes written out.

Cheers,
Jer

 

[CyrilleB]

Yes, I'm aware of this.
I often do this when possible for long tunes. But unfortunately, most of them often have 2, 3 chords in the same bar.

 

[engelbach]

Yes, I have the same problem, as I like to write in bass note lines and passing chords.

Ah, well, longer charts are on the wish list thread.

Cheers,
Jer

 

[raymb1]

As said before, label the head as Intro, then label solo choruses A or B, use D.S. to go back to head. use fine or coda with the D.S.

 

[CyrilleB]

I've tried that. It doesn't work

 

[Keith88]

As said before, label the head as Intro, then label solo choruses A or B, use D.S. to go back to head. use fine or coda with the D.S.

The problem with this scheme is that at the end of the first solo section, the player goes back to the sign and doesn't repeat the solo section. Jerry's solution from June, 2016 is ingenious as it uses the normal counter to keep track of the number of times the chart has played. Below is a simple chart that illustrates how this works. I use the Swing Two/Four style to differentiate the sound of the head and solo sections.

Repeat Test - Keith

 

[CyrilleB]

Yes, this is a good idea. But we still need to write once again the head at the end. This can work well with short tunes such as "the maze", but can quickly run out of space for longer 32 bars tunes if we have to write the head twice. In your example, we could also get a similar result by simply adding repeat bars for the solo section and specifying a number of repeats (8x for example) for that section.
The best would be to have a new rehearsal mark called "out" (as "outro") in addition to the existing "in", "A", "B", "C" and "D" markers. That "out" marker would only be played once at the very end of the song. That would solve everything.